Ladyboys (Katoey)… another way to “Know”

Ladyboys (Katoey), another way to know

Ladyboys TRY HARDER than everyone else. Even a desperate bargirl is going to give you a breather at some point, maybe not so for a desperate ladyboy! She’s all business and 100% dedicated to getting what she wants (in your pants.)

Man, they just don’t GIVE UP. I think this stems from their bar know-how that tells them, if I try and try and try and try and try, then the guy eventually gets drunk enough and gives in.

Now there are two reasons a guy might give in. One is that the guy was curious to start. And two is that the guy wanted to go with a ladyboy anyway, but was shy to close the deal in front of thousands of other guys that will watch him walk the plank.

If a ladyboy is hitting on you pretty hard, then it’s very likely that NO girls are hitting on you at the same time. The bargirls don’t seem to compete with the ladyboys. Not sure why that is, except perhaps the bargirls get “boxing” from the ladyboys if they move into the competition.

The bargirls definitely seem to be afraid of the ladyboys, and I think with good reason.

Any thoughts on this one?

Thailand’s 3 Ladyboy Types…

Ladyboy Types in Thailand

Ladyboys are easier to take when they’re quiet.

In Patong there are quite a few ladyboys running around. I’d say – a few hundred, if not 1,000. I personally probably spoke to a hundred or so when I used to hang out with a friend that liked to indulge in them.

We’d sit at a spot in a bar on Bangla and they were dancing on a stage right there in front of us. They all knew my friend and of course thought I was into the same menu.

Ladyboys are curious folk. I saw 3 types while I was in Phuket:

1. Overly aggressive and eager to put their hands on your crotch, or show you their nipples and kiss your face. They are friendly, speak some English, and are the ones that make enough money to survive because they have just the right touch of showing affection and urging the guys to take them home.

2. Overly shy, and are afraid to talk – or smart enough to realize that they’re better off not talking – in order to score more guys that just can’t take them home once they hear either the deep voice or the fake voice- neither of which has the magic necessary to arouse even the most motivated and/or curious male.

These are making enough money just because they are playing the role that guys like in their ‘women’… demure, quiet, and playful.

3. Those that are aggressive and eager with each other and get into arguments a lot with each other… are very concerned with some kind of feeling of competition with the other ladyboys… they are jealous. Usually, I’m guessing that these LB’s are on drugs… not that the others AREN’T, but they handle their yaba better maybe?

These are like mean drunks. These are the ones that are the ugliest… sometimes the biggest and most manly… and the ones that will cruise the streets during late night – after 2 a.m. or so – to find the foreigners that are walking home – especially on beach road, but I’ve seen them other places. They just cruise around looking for foreigners to pickpocket or beat the hell out of while they pickpocket them.

A lot of guys are here in Thailand JUST to see the ladyboy phenomena. I’ve talked to guys that INSISTED to me they were straight… and then I watched at 3 a.m. as the bars closed and they’re taking an LB to their room.

I have kids in my Mathyom 3 class (15 yrs old) that want to be ladyboys and they already have a plan for their life.

They’re already taking the hormones which will give them a strange voice, THIN waste, wide hips, and might even grow them some A-cup “ninners” that could feed their own baby if nature intended their a$$ cavity to serve as a womb.

Thai parents are sometimes cool with the idea of their son becoming a ladyboy because if you haven’t noticed – not all the sons here are motivated to do much at all except open motorbike shops.

A ladyboy son could bring in a little income. A top ladyboy could bring in a NICE income, and provide some light entertainment around the home during the holidays if he/she returns home for a few days.

It’s mostly accepted here. Don’t get me wrong, there are parents that will try to beat it out of the kid, but not nearly as many as in the USA where parents might crucify the kid – just to save his misguided soul.

Well, more later on this topic – there’s loads.

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Honesty, Gwat Jap, 150 Ladyboys Passable as Ladies

The following are two true stories about ladyboys in Thailand I found.

Perfect 10 Thai ladyboy

When I write, I’m writing the truth from my perspective 100%.

I’m not distorting things at all. To me it just doesn’t feel right to change what really happened.

On the other hand, I write selectively.

There are things that happen that won’t get written about.

There are things that I’ve considered writing about and then re-considered knowing that full disclosure wasn’t called for.

I get a special thrill out of revealing some of the whacky shite that goes on in my life. But, the wackiest material I tend to keep to myself.  I should spill it all as it would make the blog worth reading, but some parts of your life you keep secret you know?  Not that I have a whole part of my life that’s secret, you know? But just small things that happen that are not WHO you are, but they reveal something about yourself…

Ok, let me give an example of a small thing that happened that is sort of embarrassing to admit, but well, it’s not a big deal.

I went to sleep at 5pm today – just to lie down really and “rest my eyes” as my mother used to say.  It always meant she was sleeping, but in America we are embarrassed to say we need a nap so we say stuff like “resting our eyes”.

When I woke up it was 10pm. Holy hell!  What happened?  I was completely out for 5 hours. I’ve had enough sleep recently, maybe just the stress of things getting to me.

I lay there considering whether it was worth it to get up and go find something to eat for my missed dinner. There are plenty of places that are open to eat at night, it’s just a chore finding which one has the foodstuff I want.  Restaurants are nearly all closed, except restaurant/bar places which I don’t go to alone much. The other places to eat are the food stores that are all over the town. Some of these places are great. Some I know and love – the somtam place is the best I’ve had anywhere in Isaan.  There are places that make noodles and chicken over rice and just about anything at that hour. Trick was, finding the one I wanted.

I’m running solo for a bit, girlfriend is traveling with family and we may not get back in sync for a few months. That means the dreaded.  The almost unthinkable. I need to read and speak Thai to get things done.

This shouldn’t be a big problem considering I’ve been here about 2.5 years. However, do you know how difficult THAI IS?  There are 5 tones – that are virtually impossible to remember consistently. If one is not speaking everyday then one could forget speaking properly. It’s quite difficult and I’ve relied on my girlfriend to do ALL the things that require Thai language or speaking.  I’ve picked up quite a bit just listening, but nothing beats practice.

I drove around for 20 minutes and looked at all the usual places I eat som tam and bbq chicken but tonight I was in the mood for something warm and filling. No, it wasn’t cold outside and I don’t know WHY I crave hot noodle soup like I do, but I do.

That meant Gwit Diao or Gwat Jap.  I had almost given up when I remembered a place that a Thai friend had taken me to one night late. I thought it was gwit diao but the lady said gwat jap. Both are noodle soups and I don’t know the real difference between them except the gwat jap is darker. The noodles are a bit thicker and a bit overcooked usually. That’s the difference to me. They’re both Chinese based I think.

Anyway, so I spent 30 minutes talking in Thai to the owner of this food stand. She was insistent and kept talking and talking and repeating and re-phrasing… it was great practice, though at times frustrating. When trying to say simple things without any context, like when I think she didn’t understand and I repeat one word over and over – she didn’t get it. Thais’ use the context to understand us so when there isn’t any it’s quite hard for them to ‘get it’.

Me needing to speak Thai for half an hour isn’t the part I wanted to talk about.

When I went to fill up the gas tank on the motorbike I stopped at the ONLY open gas station in town at 10:40pm (it’s good to know where the ONE is in your town too if you’re out late because you’ll run out of gas before finding it on your own when you need it). As I stepped off the motorbike I saw this supercute girl – maybe 18 sitting with her obviously ladyboy friend and some of the other guys working the pumps. In Thailand they pump it FOR you. It’s cool! I haven’t had that since early 1980’s maybe back in the USA.

So – the girl filling my tank (yes, girls do it too) pointed at her friend – the cute one – and said, “Suay, mai?” (Pretty, no?) I said, Suay, Maa. (Very pretty).

The girl I thought was cute was looking at me and flirting with me and I thought – wow man, she is TOO good looking. Then it hit me after I looked away from her. She’s a ladyboy. My god, this one was almost a perfect girl! I was fooled for the first minute or so, but then I added it up.

Girl sitting around gas station + with her obviously ladyboy friend + that looked TOO good + that had perfect skin, a cute outfit, and some makeup + is flirtatious without even having said hi = is always a ladyboy.

Ladyboys hang with other lady boys.

When I see a drop dead gorgeous girl here my ladyboy meter usually kicks on automatically. Being a perfect girl is hard to do, I consider one out of 1000 to be perfect. Ladyboys for some reason have the uncanny ability to be in that elite group just as often as real women. Go figure. It doesn’t add up for me – I don’t have a notecard that explains it – but it seems to be true for some odd reason.

Don’t get me wrong – I’m speaking of “perfect” only in the sense that all OUTWARD appearances BEFORE she starts speaking.  Once they start speaking I can pick 99/100 as ladyboys. Still – that one percent is tricky – especially if you’re drunk.

If I’m ripped off my azz I still can pick 95/100. But then there’s 4% sneaking into the equation then, aren’t there?  5% with the possibility of fooling me.

I’ve probably told this story before, but here it goes again in shortened form.

I was in Patong staying with that friend I told you about. This guy gave me some sound advice that I thought was hilarious when he said it. I thought, yah, thanks for the tip smart guy, but uh, I won’t be having any trouble in THIS department.

The advice he gave me was…

If you find a girl you like and you are taking her home with you – if it’s gotten to that point, you need to ask her if she’s a ladyboy.

If you are unsure, ask again and again. Get it out in the open before you get into the room.

I had almost forgotten that advice which was given just 2 days prior to the night I found this beautiful little spinner girl that was flirting with me at a bar in Patong. I was mildly inebriated (shitefaced) having had maybe 8 drinks in 4 hours. I had only talked to her about 15 minutes before we were on my motorbike and headed towards a night of bliss.

As we were riding she was sitting behind me on the bike. She grabbed my left hand and put it on her crotch. That was an odd thing that I hadn’t seen a Thai girl do yet. Thai girls, even bargirls are naturally a little reserved about any public display of affection. Even at 2am+ and with the streets deserted.  This girl wasn’t a bargirl and wasn’t an old timer so I thought – something’s up.

Yeah, more than I knew.

I asked her then as we were riding – are you a girl?

She said, YES!  I am Lady!

I asked again… are you a ladyboy?

NO!  WHY do you ask me that?

I started to get scared as these were the usual responses from ladyboys.  If they ask WHY do you ask that – it’s a frequent response.

We got to the house where I was renting a room. We got off the motorbike. I was ready to go, thinking I was just being paranoid. I was looking at her just 2 feet from my face in the strong streetlight by the house and I could plainly see she was absolutely a cute, no gorgeous young girl – about 20 years old.  I told her let’s go…

She just stood there.

I said, come on…

She said, “If I told you now that I’m not a lady would you just let me walk away – and no problems?”

I said, yeah, of course.

She turned around and started walking down the hill.

I was dumbfounded.  I watched her go and kept saying, ARE YOU SURE? ARE YOU SURE?

I wasn’t sure, but he was.

So – that was part of the 5% that can sneak into the equation. It’s a dangerous 5 % that can speak with an acceptable woman’s voice AND fool your eyes from just 2 feet away.

Since then I’ve learned a lot more about the mannerisms of ladyboys (katoeys) and I think that even if I’m drunk stupid I could flush out 96/100.  Not bad odds, but think of the consequences if you’re wrong!

It has been estimated by others with much more applied experience than me that there are around 10,000 girls in Patong Beach that are available in bars, massage places, etc.  How many ladyboys are there?  1000?  I’ll guess that there are 1000 just for the sake of a round number that I don’t think is too far off the mark during high-season.  1000 with a probability of 5% error means that there are 50 perfect ladyboys running around Patong Beach that might be giving you oral magic before you have the slightest idea what is happening or HAS ALREADY happened.

In Pattaya that number would be 3 times higher – if the ratio of ladyboys in Pattaya to Patong is the same as the girl ratio.  150 ladyboys that you COULD NOT TELL.

Scary numbers if you’re ladyboy allergic, eh?

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Katoey (Ladyboy) Kills Monk because He wanted Two Times for Price of One Time

Story out of Thai newspaper…

This young (teenage?) Katoey (Ladyboy) stabbed the monk shown in this photo because the monk wanted to have sex twice on his one short-time fee.

I hate to be the one bringing this up but, there are monks that are bad news here in Thailand. If one were to read the Thai newspapers all the time, and it might be worth learning to read it JUST FOR THIS kind of thing, there are many instances of monks doing crazy things.  Monks are people just like anyone else. Sitting in a wat for 40 years might make some unstable in society. At the least it’s going to make you a bit “different”.

The worst thing I’ve ever heard was reported in the Thai and English newspapers about a Buddhist monk that was having sex with the temple dogs.  Locals living close to the wat could hear the dog yelping and crying sometimes but they didn’t think anything of it. Then someone caught him red handed I believe by looking through the window at him. I need to dig up the story, it’s fascinating…

Ok, here’s a link to a story that covers a LOT of interesting things including the dog sex story…

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